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		<title>Mukasey: Don&#8217;t Know Much About Waterboarding</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Memo to Sen. Dianne Feinstein: thanks a whole big bundle. 

Too well I recall the morning last November when I read your <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-feinstein3nov03,0,4922303.story?coll=la-opinion-center">stated intention</a> to vote in favor of confirming Michael Mukasey as U.S. Attorney General.  It made what would have been a pleasant breakfast at a local café go down quite a bit less easily.  I narrowly averted embarrassment, because your characterizations of Judge Mukasey as independent-minded and repulsed by the idea of torture were such stuff as spit-takes are made on. <a href="http://cheekandbluster.com/2008/01/30/mukasey-dont-know-much/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="first-p "><span title="M" class="cap"><span>M</span></span>emo to Sen. Dianne Feinstein: thanks a whole big bundle. </p>
<p>Too well I recall the morning last November when I read your <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-feinstein3nov03,0,4922303.story?coll=la-opinion-center">stated intention</a> to vote in favor of confirming Michael Mukasey as U.S. Attorney General.  It made what would have been a pleasant breakfast at a local café go down quite a bit less easily.  I narrowly averted embarrassment, because your characterizations of Judge Mukasey as independent-minded and repulsed by the idea of torture were such stuff as spit-takes are made on.  I couldn&#8217;t believe that you, my home state&#8217;s senior senator, had watched the same confirmation hearings as I had and not come away similarly <a href="http://cheekandbluster.com/index.php/2007/10/23/weve-come-a-long-way-baby/">disgusted at Mukasey&#8217;s craven dodging</a> of the torture issue.  </p>
<p>Your op-ed included a desire to see Judge Mukasey come before the senate panel again to have another chat about the whole Dick Cheney/Jack Bauer-iziation of American justice thing.  Well, who&#8217;s back on the Hill today but your guy Mike the AG, front and center, talking waterboarding and destroyed CIA interrogation tapes.  You must&#8217;ve been <em>geeked</em>, armed with a bucket of popcorn and ready to see The Muke torque up and bring the outrage, huh?</p>
<p>There are times when a mere &#8220;I told you so&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem to cover it.<br />
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<p>How bad was it? Let&#8217;s pick up the play-by-play with Mukasey&#8217;s questioning by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), who was trying to find out whether the Justice Department&#8217;s current investigation into the destruction of the CIA interrogation videotapes would apply to the <em>content</em> of the tapes, or only to their having been shredded.</p>
<p>The AG had been saying that there was no evidence to suggest that the recordings showed suspects being waterboarded or treated in any other maybe-kinda-sorta illegal manner, or at least none that wasn&#8217;t &#8211; you got it &#8211; classified, and therefore off-limits for discussion in a public hearing. Whitehouse called bullshit, pointing out that all you had to have done was read the newspaper or watched a little CNN to have heard credible sources statements that the tapes had showed exactly that kind of thing. The Rhode Islander continued:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>WHITEHOUSE:</strong>&#8230;So, then the question is, you know, where do we stand? Because I think anybody who even has a public view of what&#8217;s going on would suggest that there&#8217;s something that might at least merit the beginning of inquiry as to whether an investigation might be opened.</p>
<p><strong>MUKASEY:</strong> All of that depends on whether certification was given, whether permission was given and whether it was permissibly relied on. And it would not &#8212; it should not turn on one person&#8217;s current view of what the statute requires or doesn&#8217;t require, because if it does, the message is, it all changes.</p>
<p><strong>WHITEHOUSE:</strong> But aren&#8217;t there two questions here? There is no exemption under [U.S. Code, Title 18, Section] 2340(a) depending on whether the conduct was authorized by a supervisory official or not. There is no Nuremberg defense built into this criminal statute.</p>
<p>&#8230;And I&#8217;m just trying to get, which is this? Is it that there aren&#8217;t facts well-developed? That doesn&#8217;t seem credible. Is it because there&#8217;s authorization, we&#8217;re not going to look at this no matter what? If that&#8217;s your position, fine, but let&#8217;s just say so and then I&#8217;ll understand.</p>
<p><strong>MUKASEY:</strong> That&#8217;s not my position.</p>
<p><strong>WHITEHOUSE:</strong> What is your position?</p>
<p><strong>MUKASEY:</strong> My position is that there is an ongoing investigation and that I&#8217;m not going to speculate on what might or might not have happened, particularly with regard to authorizations.</p>
<p><strong>WHITEHOUSE:</strong> But the ongoing investigation, as far as we know, is only into the destruction of tapes. It has nothing to do with the underlying interrogation, unless you&#8217;re telling me that that&#8217;s the forum. Is that the forum in which this will get decided?</p>
<p><strong>MUKASEY:</strong> That is in part dependent on what [the] investigation shows.</p>
<p><strong>WHITEHOUSE:</strong> Well, let&#8217;s hypothesize that a little further. If it shows that waterboarding took place&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>MUKASEY:</strong> Let&#8217;s not hypothesize anything.</p>
<p><strong>WHITEHOUSE:</strong> Well, there&#8217;s only two choices. It&#8217;s not going to take us a long time to discuss the alternatives, either it did or it didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>MUKASEY:</strong> It&#8217;s not a question of it taking a long time. It&#8217;s a question of telling agents out there that we are investigating the CIA based on speculation about what happened and whether they got proper authorizations. And I don&#8217;t think that ought to be the message.</p></blockquote>
<p><small>(transcript via <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005180.php">TPM Muckraker</a>)</small></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say one thing for the Attorney General: the guy can cover some ground.  I mean, from the Nuremberg defense to the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45423-2005Mar17.html">McGwire defense</a> in one round of questioning?  That is <em>range</em>, people.</p>
<p>Dianne? Chuckie Schumer? Barbara Boxer, my other California homegirl? Harry Reid, our sheep in sheep&#8217;s clothing?  Congressional Democrats, please please hear this: we still have almost a year of Bush left.  NONE of you have even NEARLY handed that blithering numbnuts the mop and pail you said you had ready for him, and the shit he&#8217;s strewn everywhere is just sitting there. Hell, he&#8217;s adding to it! </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t work. You know, inviting them up to the Hill and hoping they&#8217;ll just casually admit, &#8220;Oh yeah, we eviscerated the Constitution and lied the country into a disastrous war and horribly tarnished America&#8217;s standing in the world. That was us, we&#8217;re here to turn ourselves in.&#8221; That&#8217;s a little much for your average slip of the tongue.  What do you <em>think</em> this Administration is going to say about any of this stuff? Here&#8217;s a hint: you&#8217;ve heard it a million times over the last seven years. </p>
<p>And speaking of hearing something a million times, I don&#8217;t know how many more futile I-told-you-so&#8217;s I have left in me. Let me save a few to use on the Bush cabal when (please, oh please) they one day have to pay for all the damage they&#8217;ve done.  </p>

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		<title>We&#8217;ve Come a Long Way, Baby</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over at <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/">Balkinization</a>, Brian Tamahana <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/10/hey-america-can-you-explain-this.html">has shared</a> a moment of sickening clarity: <a href="http://cheekandbluster.com/2007/10/23/weve-come-a-long-way-baby/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="first-p "><span title="O" class="cap"><span>O</span></span>ver at <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/">Balkinization</a>, Brian Tamahana <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/10/hey-america-can-you-explain-this.html">has shared</a> a moment of sickening clarity:</p>
<blockquote><p>I had lunch today with a prominent German Constitutional scholar who was flabbergasted about something that I could not adequately explain.</p>
<p>He asked me how the candidate to become the top legal official of the U.S. government could say that he does not know whether water-boarding constitutes &#8220;torture&#8221; (as Judge Mukasey stated yesterday in his confirmation hearings). My colleague insisted that in Germany any person who uttered such a statement would be finished. He found it shocking that a person could say this in America and still become our Attorney General.</p>
<p>At first I was surprised at his genuine disbelief; and then I felt a bit ashamed that I did not also react with disbelief.</p></blockquote>
<p>And yesterday at <em>Slate</em>, a piece <span id="more-89"></span>co-written Dahlia Lithwick (whose reporting over the last year or two on the Bush Administration&#8217;s detention and interrogation practices has been consistently stellar) and Philip Carter brings another aspect of Mukasey&#8217;s craven dissembling into focus. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2176402/pagenum/all/#page_start">The rub</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;Mukasey&#8217;s worst sleight-of-hand regarding waterboarding [is] his assertion Thursday that to comment about specific techniques would be irresponsible &#8220;when there are people who are using coercive techniques and who are being authorized to use coercive techniques. … And for me to say something that is going to put their careers or freedom at risk simply because I want to be congenial—I don&#8217;t think it would be responsible of me to do that.&#8221; Please. This administration has put careers at risk by muddying legal rules. If Mukasey really wanted to save careers, he would reinstate the bright-line rules that define and prohibit torture, as opposed to confusing and confounding them. By muddying these rules, we have now put generations of our own soldiers at risk should they ever be captured. It is they, and not Mukasey, who may face enemies using these very practices, shored up with our own tortured logic.</p>
<p>It is the oldest trick in the Bush administration&#8217;s psychological playbook to claim that we must be one serious badass nation if we are willing to do sick, unspeakable things to our enemies—even in the face of international condemnation and in violation of our own laws and ethical rules. But when those sick, unspeakable practices endanger our own soldiers, horrify our allies, and embolden our enemies, we don&#8217;t look like badasses anymore. We just look like sadists. And when those practices don&#8217;t even work, we look like stupid sadists to boot. There&#8217;s an easy fix here. Renounce torture. It was once an unremarkable proposition that the Unites States doesn&#8217;t stand for senseless sadism. What a tragedy that defending it has suddenly become a point of principle.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think there&#8217;s still hope of cleansing our country&#8217;s reputation once we can get rid of the Bush cabal. If I didn&#8217;t think so, I&#8217;d be acting on a thought that I confess occurred to me a few times recently &#8211; something I never dreamed I&#8217;d even consider for a brief moment: emigrating.</p>

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